Monday, April 04, 2011

we were having a bit of a “conversation” in the car this morning that we’d love to have you add your two cents to…in the news today and yesterday is all this stuff about that pastor, publicity hound,  here in florida--terry jones—and how he burned some Qurans (to what end?) and wound up getting 24 people killed over in Afghanistan—including 7 united nations workers…
my argument, in agreement with something I heard on tv, and what I think is common sense, is stop giving the guy media attention and maybe he’ll go away!! he’s looking for attention!! further more, it’s high time somebody in the Christian world gets angry enough to speak out when these atrocities occur: when the terry joneses pop up—crying “look at me, look at me!”; when so called Christian cult groups picket outside military funerals applauding the death of gay soldiers who “are only getting what they deserve;” when people like George tiller are gunned down in cold blood, without the most basic research being done into what their actual function is, before the judge, jury and executioner, attack to kill. the silence of the body of Christ tells the world that it approves of these horrendous acts perpetrated in its name, when, most likely, that’s hardly true…but think a minute….how do most of us react to muslims who never speak out when horrors are committed by muslim terrorists…do we not assume, then, that quiet muslims agree with the atrocities?
It occurs to me that precisely what you think the media should be doing is what we—Christianity—is attempting--ignoring these fringe characters and charlatans and hoping they will go away.  Interestingly enough, when we have a cause, we are not shy to stand up and shout our opinions, to try to change the laws of the land to reflect our morality, to turn one another into a panic over the “appalling state of our decadent nation.”  We are so good at creating an atmosphere of panic, and perhaps Terry Jones and his companions are simply reflecting our attitudes, applying our techniques in places where they do not fit. 

Mostly I'm furious with this Terry Jones guy who gives expression to a judgmental violent response to Islam and dares to call it Christian.  These misdirected crusaders whom our leaders seem to ignore do not represent anything that the Jesus of the Bible ever did or said.

Okay, now--your turn, what do you think about all of this?  No fisticuffs, but everything else is fair game!! please join in:

Tuesday, January 11, 2011

And so we begin...i'm just throwing out the nugget of a dialogue. it may annoy some people and make some people scratch their heads...if i'm  very lucky, one or two of you may even be slightly amused.

no matter...the point here, whatever we (or you, hopefully) throw out, is to make the rest of us think and respond...honestly, and no holds barred--but, of course, respectfully, as well. Here's our first:

elh says she has her ups and downs like anyone, and even gets mad at god, sometimes…she’ll spend a bit of time letting him know what’s on her mind, and then asking for his forgiveness…
what??? I asked are you asking for forgiveness for… why don’t YOU forgive GOD, if he was the wrongdoer? "Because," she said, "He CAN’T do wrong!! So, forgive him for what?  That’s not an option…and I need to be forgiven for hanging on to my anger, for not letting it go"
so, here’s the question…is god capable of wrongdoing? what, exactly is the nature of god?
okay, i'm just here to let you know i'm hoping to be open for conversation, now...you have something to talk about, come on by!! we want to talk about it...i'll be sending out emails to let people know that I'll be keeping a watchful eye on our blog and Ethel will as she can, as well...please come see us!!

Saturday, November 06, 2010

November 6, 2010

hi! I'm ellen-- the lower-cased bold one from florida and sometimes new york!

Hi! I'm Ethel. I'm simply "arial" but my cases are mixed. O yes, and I live in Silicon Valley at the south end of San Francisco Bay. No matter how you look at us, we come from different worlds.

if you understand understatement, you should have no trouble at all telling us apart!! I’m the calm, sensible one…

Ha! Yes, the delusional one! But it is true, our worlds color our thinking and our ways of expressing ourselves, but we DO have much in common.

husband, kids, grandkids—all separate, of course! but lots of shared friends we’ve picked up along the way..

We're both writers and dearly love to pick one another's brains, especially on controversial issues

that's what they call being dialoguists. we've collected tens of thousands of e-mail pages over the past decade, with our discussions on every topic from faith to friendship…and on further up the alphabet…

Religiously, we grew up in very different boxes.

i'm what they call a secular jew, jewish by birth, and by choice, but not necessarily by anything I know or that’s been included in my education. I never went to Hebrew school, or hardly even synagogue until I married someone a little more into it than i…even then I managed to stay pretty well ignorant of most things religious until ethel came along, i rarely even thought about god—I felt that if my life reflected the golden rule, “do unto others…” and a fair sampling of the 10 commandments, I’d probably be doing alright…

And I came from an evangelical Christian background. God is the very center of my life. All I do and say and think I relate to Him. I'm on an adventure to learn the difference between all I've heard in church and all that God has to say.

When we got together just about 10 years ago, now, it seemed to each of us that we had an incredibly unique opportunity…to hear how someone outside saw us when they were willing to be deadly honest, and to explain our ideas and feelings, and thoughts to someone who could and would hear them, absorb them and discuss them as intellectual concepts, without threatening or being threatened by the spectre of conversion…naturally, we have “illusions”of grandeur…and we want to have the incredible things we’ve learned and seen, spread as far as the world is wide; we want people to have the chance to know what we’ve come to know. We’re excited to share all that we can, and all that others are willing to get into it with us!

well, look, now…we know we’re not going to change the world, but if we could put a little NICK in it…!!

WE think the way to do this is to cut through the superficialities that separate us and get to know one another…COMMUNICATE…the subject is not nearly as important as what we have to say about it…when ethel and I began the one simple promise we made each other—even though we were virtual strangers; all we had in common was our love of words and of communication. and so we promised each other simple HONESTY…and, of course, RESPECT…

sometimes a question would be asked that a “white lie” would’ve felt much less scary in the answering…but it wouldn’t have been true…at first that was hard because neither of us knew what honesty would bring. and we found that if it was brought gently, what it brought was two people closer together each time they had to jump out of that tree and hoped to be caught! we no longer worry whether hands will be there to catch us…we now know it, as we know the sun will come up each day, whether we see it or not…

That’s true, and the kinds of topics we’ve talked about –often over and over again, have been politics, crime, religious hypocrisy, as well as the all important raising of kids and every now and again Ellen needs to bring up the subject of rice pudding, simply because it’s close to her heart…

well, you know that man cannot live by…oh, well, I guess that doesn’t work in this discussion does it…but rice pudding is a very important topic, unless there’s no raisins, I’m thinking…sorry…carry on…

Just ignore her when she goes off like that…we’ll try for a slightly higher plane. And what we really hope is that YOU will open up the discussions…some of them, most of them; whatever you like; we’ll follow your lead…if you can think of it, or if we can—like, why do Christians have so much trouble trusting God?

like, why do they feel they need to “convince” god of the rightness of their positions by means of fervent prayer meetings, and other extreme beseechments…?

anyway, I think we’ve told you everything you need to know…join us, please! let us know what’s on your mind, and we’ll see if we can get you as excited about all this as we are.

after a short time you’ll know us by our voices, and hopefully, we’ll know you by yours…welcome to our world!!!
E&e

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For starters, here's the first dialogue we want to share with you. We kind of thought if you're going to join us on the rim of our boxes, we might do well to talk first about what those boxes are. So, here are our descriptions... read them and then tell us how you see boxes--what are the things that have YOU boxed in, in your life?

Boxes are basic beliefs, paradigms,
philosophies and prejudices--
the baggage we each bring with us
to our lives-- and dialogues.

boxes are confining structures
in which we're fed rules that we are to follow,
most, blindly...
we can't see out of them,
so there's no point in asking questions...
just do what we're told.

Boxes give us structure
and shape our thinking and decision making processes;
provide a sense of security in a volatile world,
and shelter when we’re
pushed to a point
where we can’t handle challenges and confrontations.

They deaden our curiosity while feeding our fears of the unknown.
They deliver us from our passion to ask questions--
They narrow our viewpoints, and keep us from taking risks.

As we gain new confidence--mature,
and move out into new frontiers of thought and action,
boxes tend to collapse.

“When God collapses our box walls, He turns them into dance floors.”
Author Unknown

So?
nu?