tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post4752358124835419343..comments2023-04-01T22:47:16.850-07:00Comments on From the Rim of the Box: From the Rim of the Boxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16148093420527019853noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-71383754244811289182011-09-25T17:22:13.560-07:002011-09-25T17:22:13.560-07:00Ethel, sometimes I do check up on the truth. When ...Ethel, sometimes I do check up on the truth. When I find an article is way off, I do respond. However, recently, if it's not a personal e-mail I just don't have the time...Wandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13667083695091437289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-50946634908259772462011-09-23T07:56:46.633-07:002011-09-23T07:56:46.633-07:00In this world, we gotta learn to trust. If we did...In this world, we gotta learn to trust. If we didn't trust anybody or anything, we'd never get out of bed in the morning. In fact, we'd never lie down on the bed lest it collapse beneath us--or the ceiling above us...<br />I think my major point here is that we all need to develop that attitude of heart and mind that can <br />1.Listen to opinions that differ from our own (See Janet Somes' valuable comments from our August 18th blog conversation) and gather fodder for deeper opinions. <br />2. Make sure we know something is true before we pass it on<br />3. Remember that our strength lies not in causing each other to panic, but in encouraging all to trust God most of all. We get e-mails of this sort, too. (Though, admittedly, some are clearly works of fiction with anonymous authors-- sigh) Do we pass them on as eagerly as we do the others?<br />EthelFrom the Rim of the Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16148093420527019853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-50693804009076646802011-09-22T19:33:50.396-07:002011-09-22T19:33:50.396-07:00“But I don't trust Snopes any more than I do t...“But I don't trust Snopes any more than I do the anonymous authors who first wrote those chain emails. Snopes is just two people somewhere in California who have decided to set themselves up as authorities.” --Athol Dickson <br /><br />I, also, try to be very skeptical about most of the negative opinion pieces that come my way—-accusations of the satanic involvement of well-known people; political assassinations of every sort and from every side, etc--but, I have a question here from something I read in your comment, Athol…you may know things I—and our readers-- have no information about, and I’d be grateful to be enlightened. I’ve found snopes to be very reliable. I’ve never seen an opinion expressed in it. what I’ve seen is the factoid under consideration and then a mention of true or false, or both…and then what I take to be relatively careful documentation covering the reasoning behind that; short and sweet. if there’s a history known about the factoid, or multiple variations, these are mentioned. dates are given. <br /><br />I started to write that I don’t know who writes the snopes material—and that I also don’t know who writes consumer reports, for that matter! but then my husband looked at what I wrote and said, “don’t be so darn lazy, if you don’t know—go find out! at least then you’ll know what you’re talking about…” “oh, yeah” I hate it when he’s right…<br /><br />so , I did go online, and here’s the url that’s relevant. and here’s part of what’s being spread around:<br /><br />http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm<br /><br />“you cannot and should not trust Snopes.com.... ever for anything that remotely resembles truth! I don't even trust them to tell me if email chains are hoaxes anymore. A few conservative speakers on Myspace told me about snopes.com a few months ago and I took it upon myself to do a little research to find out if it was true. Well, I found out for myself that it is true. This website is backing Obama and is covering up for him. They will say anything that makes him look bad is a hoax and they also tell lies on the other side about McCain and Palin. <br /><br />Anyway just FYI please don't use Snopes.com anymore for fact checking and make your friends aware of their political leanings as well. Many people still think Snopes.com is neutral and they can be trusted as factual. We need to make sure everyone is aware that that is a hoax in itself.” <br /><br />the author of the piece combats each claim and finishes this way:<br /><br />"•CLAIM: TruthorFiction.com is a more reliable source than Snopes. <br /><br />"First off, TruthorFiction.com has condemned this anonymous attack against Snopes.com and, in fact, lauds the site as an "excellent" and "authoritative" resource. What's ironic about claims to the contrary is that when you compare the contents of the two sites their findings rarely diverge in any substantive way. Shouldn't we therefore conclude that TruthorFiction.com is biased too?"<br /><br />i’ve learned to trust, over time that snopes—and consumer reports are “for real.” barbara and david mickelson, the snopists, support themselves, according to their own words, by advertising, and only that. I suppose anyone may set himself up as an authority on practically anything as long as he comes up with the goods, and doesn’t ever do anything to kill your trust—and , of course, each of us may be the judge of that.<br /><br />if you want more info about snopes, google can redirect you to Wikipedia on the subject of snopes…<br /><br /> IF you think you can trust Wikipedia!!<br /><br />---ellenFrom the Rim of the Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16148093420527019853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-33399552976388814452011-09-17T21:27:11.157-07:002011-09-17T21:27:11.157-07:00I also tend to delete those e-mails. You are righ...I also tend to delete those e-mails. You are right that these e-mails usually use "carefully chosen inflammatory words" that intend to alarm us - Christians or non-Christians alike. So, I tend to delete them...well, until it hits a nerve. Like the time I received an e-mail forwarded from a preacher (and copied to many believers) that warned against the coming of ACR 82 about "reverse discrimination". I replied all and tried to get a polling on my survey. Not one person responded. I then send the survey to a random list of my friends. And, I posted the result on my blog. If you're interested, here's the link: https://py2000.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/acr-82-survey/Paul Yinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202268728715535155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-33366646343757091832011-09-17T21:23:31.519-07:002011-09-17T21:23:31.519-07:00Thank God for you, Mimi!! Keep reading and we'...Thank God for you, Mimi!! Keep reading and we'll keep writing. And if you have an idea you want our take on, let us know. We want this to be your site as well as ours, you know.<br />EthelFrom the Rim of the Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16148093420527019853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-39725032307937601152011-09-17T21:21:32.459-07:002011-09-17T21:21:32.459-07:00You make important observations here, Athol. Thank...You make important observations here, Athol. Thank you for calling our attention to the need to compare sources in our attempt to find the truth. You talk about your role as a news aggregator site editor, and you say you search legitimate news sites. Would you mind giving us some help here? What are some examples of the kinds of sites you consider legitimate? Where should we go besides to Snopes?<br /><br />Yes, we do want to preserve our freedoms for the next generations, and that is not always easy to do. It seems to me that our number one need here is to be sure of the truth before we pass things on. Otherwise we tend to widen the gap between folks who need to learn to work together. <br />EthelFrom the Rim of the Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16148093420527019853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-25965525507580478082011-09-16T14:11:13.712-07:002011-09-16T14:11:13.712-07:00You girls sure have a way of sucking me in. I can&...You girls sure have a way of sucking me in. I can't stop reading and I'm hungry for more. I hope you take this as a compliment. These conversations are FABULOUS!Mimi Moseleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17473337595156964210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-77426875449934740732011-09-16T11:52:20.423-07:002011-09-16T11:52:20.423-07:00I too tend to ignore those inflammatory emails fro...I too tend to ignore those inflammatory emails from friends and family, and I hardly ever pass one on. <br /><br />But I don't trust Snopes any more than I do the anonymous authors who first wrote those chain emails. Snopes is just two people somewhere in California who have decided to set themselves up as authorities. It's not like they're the editors of Consumers Guide or professional journalists operating according to to an established ethical standard. So I wonder where they get the time to do their research? Who's paying for that? And do they have a personal bias? How could I possibly know?<br /><br />And as the editor of a news aggregator site who spends hours every day reading legitimate news sites, I will say that there is definitely an assault on traditional American values happening in this country. It's aggressive; it's well coordinated, and it's nothing short of Satanic. I don't believe it's alarmist to alert our friends and family when new evidence of it comes up. I believe it's what needs to happen if we're going to save our fundamental freedoms for our children and grandchildren. But anytime we pass information along, we should include links to our sources. If you want readers to believe you, that's just common sense.Athol Dicksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13946058024343277304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-49553394663661091382011-09-13T07:37:20.174-07:002011-09-13T07:37:20.174-07:00So do I most of the time, Wanda. I get the feeling...So do I most of the time, Wanda. I get the feeling that if I stop to take care of every one that comes I'll get nothing done. <br /><br />But often I am caused to stop and ask, is this a wildfire out of control that I can arrest at least in a few directions? Then I respond to the person who sent me the e-mail-- or more often I respond as a "reply to all" so everyone on the list gets my comments. <br /><br />Always I urge folks to stop and look for the truth before they pass anything on to the rest of their world. And if it seems impossible to verify one way or the other, I WILL NOT PASS IT ON. I am inclined to think I should do this more often as a means to try to stop the fires.<br /><br />This is sort of what Ellen is begging us as Christians to do, I think-- to speak up and let the world know that not all Christians are careless with the truth.From the Rim of the Boxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16148093420527019853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34765608.post-53916668901990849402011-09-12T19:30:30.333-07:002011-09-12T19:30:30.333-07:00When I read e-mails like this, I delete them. They...When I read e-mails like this, I delete them. They're not worth my time!Wandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13667083695091437289noreply@blogger.com